Drag Race UK stars Black Peppa and Cheddar Gorgeous reflect on "super competitive" season 4 (2023)

“I just want to swim around in cash,” laughs Black Peppa. The Brummy is speaking with GAY TIMES over Zoom alongside her season four sister Cheddar Gorgeous about the impending RuPaul’s Drag Race UK final, where they both face stiff competition from beard advocate Danny Beard and “sex worker pigeon” Jonbers Blonde for the title of the ‘UK’s Next Drag Superstar’.

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While adding more zeros to their bank account is, of course, desired, the lip-sync assassin of season four stresses how significant it would be for a Black and non-binary queen to stomp down the runway with a crown and sceptre in hand. “The world is against me,” Peppa continues. “All odds are against me. It is very important for me to be able to use my voice, more than ever to represent and be able to make that change.”

After demolishing the competition with four RuPeter Badges, three of which were consecutive, Cheddar wants to continue “expanding people’s ideas of what drag can do and what the limitations of drag are.” Highlighting the stark contrast in personalities and drag aesthetic of the top four, however, the self-described “punk rock witch” admits that she “won’t be sad” if one of her sisters conquers over her: “There’s always that consolation that somebody who you love and adore and really respect as an artist is going to be wearing that crown at the end of the day. That’s really lovely.”

Read ahead for our interview with Black Peppa and Cheddar Gorgeous about the upcoming Drag Race UK finale, why social media platforms need to take more action re online hate and – because, why not? – fisting! In the words of the latter, “Let us fist the social media companies into greater regulation!” Just give it a read.

GAY TIMES: You both look soamazingtoday.

Cheddar: Thank you Sam, that’s the right way to start an interview, isn’t it? You know how to butter us up right! Good lad.

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GAY TIMES: Congratulations on making the finale of RuPaul’s Drag Race UK. How are you both?!

Cheddar: I just wanna know now! I’m like, ‘C’MON! LET’S GET IT DONE!’ Honestly, it’s very exciting and wonderful to be here, and amazing to be top four with three amazing, wonderful artists. But, c’mon. I just wanna get on with it, get to it and whatever the outcome, let’s aim for the stars [points arm to sky]. Thatwasaiming for the stars, that wasn’t a fisting thing.

GAY TIMES: I’m disappointed, I wish it was a fisting thing.

Cheddar: There’s always time, darling, it’s a very early day.

GAY TIMES: Thisisthat kind of interview.

Cheddar: I’ve had my coffee, anything’s possible.

Peppa: Oh my goodness. Sam, I am really excited going into the finale. I just can’t wait for it to happen. Obviously, we filmed the finale episode but we don’t really know what happens. I know it’s going to be a hell of an episode because all of us were clawing to the very end. I always said if I ever ended up on RuPaul’s Drag Race, I wanted the season to be super competitive. I want a challenge and trust you me, I did get my match. And I am so happy because every single person this season was so talented and everyone had their different strengths and weaknesses. We’re just big stars in our own league and now there’s, what, just a day left? I am over the moon and I cannot wait for whatever happens, as Cheddar says. I just can’t wait to conquer the world because I feel like I already have and I have so much more that I want to do. The finale is just exciting. Each of us are rooting for each other, as well. It’s a good team pageant spirit, so to speak.

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Cheddar: It’s clear and I think you see it on the season, more-so than any Drag Race season I’ve ever watched, that we actually quite like each other? Even when we fall out… We never really had any massive, huge fallouts on the show. Don’t get me wrong, I want the crown, but I’m not gonna be sad if any of us win. And one of us has to win, know what I mean? In a way, there’s always that consolation that somebody who you love and adore and really respect as an artist is going to be wearing that crown at the end of the day. That’s really lovely.

GAY TIMES: You have both beeninsane to watch this season. Peppa, you’re undeniably one of the greatest performers and lip-syncers the show has ever seen and Cheddar, you’ve slaughtered the challenges with four wins. How do you both feel, looking back at your run on season four?

Peppa: Seeing it back on television and reliving it, it’s a whole different experience. For example, when you’re at viewing parties and sit around hundreds of people, you’re seeing this for the first time. You’re reliving it in a different way. It was the best experience looking back at it and the lip-syncs I’ve done and the outfits I’ve worn and the choices I’ve made with the wigs, heels and different things like that. Also, just seeing how talented my sisters are from this season. Being in the werkroom and being with them, you see one thing but watching it back you’re like, ‘Jesus! You’re bloody talented.’ We’re just really good at what we do. Seeing Cheddar in confessionals and being so intellectual… I mean, I know they’re obviously very intellectual already, but seeing them and the faces they make when critiques are being given out or when we’re in Untucked and they’re sat there like, ‘Hmm…’ It’s just so interesting to see all of it on the screen. I am just really thrilled to see it all unfold and in the finale coming up, I can’t say obviously, but I’m very excited and I cannot wait for the world to see what’s been leading up to this point. It’s been how many weeks? Seven or eight weeks?

Cheddar: 52!

Peppa: It’s been long enough! I feel like someone needs to put that crown on their head, so…

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Cheddar: Peppa, I have to say, watching your performances back and the costumes you’ve destroyed in that process has been a pleasure! It’s true. Yes, Peppa is right, I can very rarely hide anything. But most of the time, I’m not in a mood, it’s just my listening face. I watch it back thinking, ‘Ooh, I do look ever-so moody,’ and I’m not moody at all! I’m just interested in what people have to say. Looking back over the show, I’m actually incredibly grateful that the show gave space to things that I didn’t really think it would give space to. Looking back at how the meanings behind some of the looks I did were treated, I’m just really happy with how that turned out and the attention that it was able to create outside of the show. I look back with an awful lot of gratitude in the way that what I do was not only accepted and received, but was actively celebrated.

GAY TIMES: And how are you both adapting to life as a RuGirl? How have your lives changed over these past few weeks?

Peppa: It’s been amazing. I’ve had so many other RuGirls reach out and message me and been like, ‘Welcome to the family. I’m rooting for you.’ Queens I’ve looked up to for years. That, to me, is wild in itself. It’s also a good awakening for you to believe in yourself like, ‘Look, I am great.’ Also performing in different shows since the airing and people coming up to me like, ‘You’ve inspired me, your story touched me.’ I know I had a story. If I do tell someone my story, I never thought it was that big of a deal that it would be able to touch so many other people in such an intimate level. Stuff like that, having a platform and a voice. People see the fabulous side of you, but then when they see and listen to everything you’ve been through, they’re like, ‘You have layers.’ I’m so thankful that the show was able to show that as well, and show the different sides of us.

GAY TIMES: As is the case with every season of Drag Race, there’s been some volatile behaviour online. Do you think there’s any way we can combat this, or is it always going to be this way?

Peppa: I don’t think we can get rid of it. It’s the way we deal with it. We can say as much as we want,but at the end of the day it’s about how us, as contestants, manage and deal with that online bullying. We can use our voice to be like, ‘This is not right,’ however we can’t let this take over our lives. I’m not going to be on my phone defending myself when none of these people know who I am. None of these people know how I operate. I’ve been doing drag before Drag Race. I don’t care what you think and, at the same time, I don’t feel like I need to defend myself. Our approach is how we’re gonna deal with it, more-so than trying to make it stop because it’s not gonna happen and we know that. People are always going to have opinions and I think it’s okay to have opinions, just like it’s okay to be a judge on a show and for people to judge what they wanna voice, but it’s how we deal with it ourselves.

Cheddar: I totally agree with Peppa but, I think there is something unique about the situation we face online nowadays. People have always, absolutely, had opinions but perhaps it’s only in the last 20 years that they’ve had a forum where they can anonymously project those opinions without accountability and recourse to any sort of consequence. What’s interesting about your question is, “What can we do?” The truth is: we probably can’t do anything, but that doesn’t mean there are not people in positions of authority in social media companies that can help to create those slow, broader cultural shifts that need to occur in actually creating a culture online where people are accountable for the things that they say; where there is, for want of a better expression, a management on what is deemed to be appropriate to say to people online. If we look at the situation we’re facing certainly on platforms like Twitter at the moment, where the new owner of Twitter is attempting to roll back the restrictions on what might constitute hate speech online, I think there’s definitely more that can be done. I don’t think that’s our responsibility, but that doesn’t mean we can’t put pressure upon the people whose responsibility it is. We have to remember that, within that scenario, we have power because we are the content creators on those platforms and those platforms are ultimately depending upon our content to sell advertising space, which is a bit of a deep answer. Sorry GAY TIMES! Drag queen. Dick joke. Breasts. Etc.

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